Sunday, August 05, 2007

"The Number of Americans Moving to Canada in 2006 Hit a 30-Year High"

This seems like good news:

In 2006, 10,942 Americans went to Canada, compared with 9,262 in 2005 and 5,828 in 2000, according to a survey by the Association for Canadian Studies....

The current increase appears to be fueled largely by social and political reasons, says Jedwab, based on anecdotal evidence.

"Those who are coming have the highest level of education — these aren't people who can't get a job in the states," he says. "They're coming because many of them don't like the politics, the Iraq War and the security situation in the U.S. By comparison, Canada is a tension-free place. People feel safer...."

Kertes attributes his motivation to President Bush's opposition to gay marriage, and the tactics employed during the war on terror since 9/11.

"I wanted a country that respected my human rights and the rights of others," he says. "We joked about it after Bush won re-election, but it took us a while to go through the application."

Kertes, who moved with his partner, is happy in his new home. "Canada is a really nice country. My mother is thinking about it. My stepfather has diabetes and has health issues. So, he'd be taken care of for free if he moved up here."


Yep, let Canada take care of all the disgruntled Americans and provide their sick family members with "free healthcare." It sounds like a good plan to me; if the Democrats lose the presidency by 10,942 votes in 2008, we'll know who to blame!

65 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm Helen... any animosity toward disgruntled gays in there, since your excerpt of political reasons specifically included them? "Good riddance?" Just like those Arabic linguists taking valuable skills, I don't suspect Canada is getting the losing bargain in this "wretched refuse".

And at least they're going in legally, eh? *great white north!*

11:10 AM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Helen said...

anonymous 11:10,

Not sure how you get such a point out of this post--quit projecting.

11:13 AM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous JKB said...

Here, here. Free market and choice are great things. Those unhappy with America can move north to live in their utopia. Then of course, with free exchange of information, people could choose their favorite place to live. I'll hang about down here in the lower 48. Canada's nice but America's a fine place to live even with the tumultuous politics. I notice no one is chomping at the bits to go down to Mexico. Perhaps we should let those with the desire to immigrate to Cuba and Castro's universal healthcare?

11:21 AM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This story reeks of bias. First, considering the difference in populations between the US and Canada, from figures quoted in this story Canadians are about 20 times more likely to move to the US as Americans are to move to Canada.

The real story is contained in those figures. Why are proportionately so many more Canadians moving to the US?

Then the reason for Americans moving to Canada - "anecdotal evidence" that Americans are fleeing George Bush is based only
one one man's opinion and adds no empirical supporting evidence to the story.

Finally, the one man cited who moved to Canada, a gay labor organizer, may well be fleeing George Bush but he's hardly typical of most Americans in lifestyle and career.

I don't know what's worse for ABC...that a story this biased and wrong could get posted without editing...or that their editors are so biased or ignorant they failed to catch the obvious flaws in the story.

It seems pretty obvious ABC sought to slime President Bush and slanted the story to support that narrative.

11:29 AM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger GeorgeH said...

America, love it or leave it.

12:14 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous DRJ said...

I'm all for people living where they want and can afford to live but I don't see anything in this article that indicates they renounced their citizenship. I suspect they will be back in the US for the next election and probably voting Democratic.

2:30 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Cham said...

There are many great places to live besides the US, Canada has healthcare for all, South and Central America has low cost of living and nice weather. The US population is mostly made up of people whose ancestors or themselves grew sick and tired of somewhere else and chose to emigrate. I supposed it is in our blood to move if we grow unhappy. When I decide to retire I will be leaving as well.

2:32 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Adrian said...

Even if they did renounce their citizenship -- I'm sure they'll still be back in America voting Democrat. You know -- they wouldn't let a little thing like that get in their way.

2:53 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Mercurior said...

well every american i met when i visited there always wants to visit the UK, my fiancee soo to be wife, wants to move here permanently..

the weather for one for her its nicer here cooler, she lives almost as far south as you can go.

she finds the uk has less danger, less gangs, and that everything is close together and you can hop on a train and go to london or scotland in hours.. freedom of movement.

while it may not be best for everyone, but there are reasons why people want to leave america, for those reasons mentioned in the original post, plus some private ones, like the quiet way we promote religion, and so on..

as i said i have been to america, which is an ok place but its too fast, everything has to be done last week.. no time to stop.. and smell the flowers..

these are some of the reasons why people leave, for some its bush, for some its the uber religious people.

the tone of the article, says that the smarter people are leaving "Those who are coming have the highest level of education ", so in essence its a brain drain in reverse..

the health care reasons thats selfish and i dont agree with that, if you want to join another country let it be for the reasons stated feeling safer, etc.. not because healthcare is better..

3:04 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

I've been to Canada numerous times, to work. Life is slower there, for the most part. Nothing seems as important to get done NOW, as was stated earlier. The overwhelming majority of people seem very nice, except for some in Quebec. It's too cold there, though. And the weather is COLD in the winter.

I am an east Virginia boy first, a lover of TN second, an American third. Nothing else interests me enough even for a visit, much less a move. To each his own.

3:37 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The statement that healthcare in Canada is better thanin the uSA is a myth. sure you donthave to pay, but,goodluck if you need anything more than a doctor's visit to treat something like the flu.
When they suspected that I might have something wrong inside my skull, I got into an MRI (at an American hospital) within 2 hours. Anecdotal example: I have a relative in Calgary- whose wife probably has a brain tumor. Shehas been waiting for almost 7 months now to get an MRI appointment. The socialised medical system has made sure that Canada's system does not have enouhg resources, if one needs specialised care. Hence, you see many Canadian patients in the major hospitals in American states like Michigan, who sometimes are willing to go into debt, to seek medical treatment in America. In the much -maligned Amrican healthcare system, that supposedly is "a disaster".

3:41 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Joe said...

This article is silly since 2 1/2 times as many Canadians move to the US.

(As a percentage of the population, the numbers are even more disproportionate than that!)

4:00 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Joe said...

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4:02 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Joe said...

Second; the new diamond mines and increased production at the tar sands in Alberta very likely account for a big percentage of Americans "moving to" Canada. (I'm not just talking grunt labor, but you need engineers and managers to run those places.)

I also wonder how many are retirees and/or those with spouses who are Canadian.

4:02 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol, helen.

Your true colors are showing as time goes by...

6:14 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger PSGInfinity said...

anoymouse,

So are yours. So are mine. What's your point? That Helen isn't perfect?

Helen has the courage to go public with her blogging, the passion to do it frequently, and the brains to do it well.

And you?

6:49 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger dadvocate said...

As br549 says, Canada is TOO COLD. Things will have to get a lot worse here and a lot better there. Having grown up in the South, I enjoy the heat. My kids think I'm nuts because I like 100 degree temps as long as the humidity is below 90%. (Slight exaggeration, but hot days remind me of some of the best days of my youth. Cold just hurts.)

6:55 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

piginity:

Read the first comment of the thread.

Just sayin' ...
time outs us all.

7:03 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time? In your case words outed you, as a fool.

7:55 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just sayin...

7:56 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

anonymous

re-read the thing. Dr. Helen siad nothing about gays. It was Kertes.

No one minds an alternative point of view. You acuse Dr. Helen of something she did not say. It was in the article of which she spoke, and it was about "disgruntled" Americans heading up north. Your response shows your prejudice. It also shows you are a dumb ass.

Just sayin...

9:29 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In return, canada sends us a bunch of dumb actors who, if they were Americans, would lkely flee to Canada in protest. Go figure.

11:13 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few things to keep in mind aboot Canada..

Canada is nearly an ALL WHITE country with severe restrictions on speech and assembly. Their cultural imports are restricted to prevent contamination by unapproved ideas. They actively thwart miscegenation in the guise of 'protecting' ethnic minorities - apparently from modern appliances and income mobility.

Their own ACLU has refered to Canada as 'a pleasantly authoritarian country'.

So what are these people's motives? If a bunch of crackers wanted to live under a similar state of affairs in the US we'd rightly denounce them as fascists, but when progressives move to Canada, somehow it's different?

11:58 PM, August 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

psst 11:58 MrFearful:

The day Canada becomes a facist neighbor to be feared is the day they've got you so bound up you don't know which border to look to for up and which for down.

Enough with the politics.
Don't fear Canada. Or the gays. It's just a diversionary tactic to take your eyes off the ball of what the instaexperts are doing to America. Don't look up to blame Canada, eh.

3:14 AM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

br549:

lol. Damn. Gotcha on the first comment, eh?

You reread. It was all over even her chosen excerpt of why these folks chose Canada. They're gay, many of them, and don't like the second-class citizenship and other American political policies designed to keep folks fearful and win elections. (Can't win a war for the life of 'em though. Then again, maybe none of the insty's are risking much life or otherwise...)

Yer lady here was tooting "good riddance" to the group that included these gays.

And now "You acuse Dr. Helen of something she did not say." Cmon. You guys going to outlaw thinking and reading skills next too? Sorry, but I repeat: your colors are showing, good doctor.

3:19 AM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kertes attributes his motivation to President Bush's opposition to gay marriage, and the tactics employed during the war on terror since 9/11.

"I wanted a country that respected my human rights and the rights of others," he says. "We joked about it after Bush won re-election, but it took us a while to go through the application."

Kertes, who moved with his partner, is happy in his new home. "Canada is a really nice country. My mother is thinking about it. My stepfather has diabetes and has health issues. So, he'd be taken care of for free if he moved up here."


Helen then wrote directly under this:
Yep, let Canada take care of all the disgruntled Americans

Why is he "disgruntled" again?

Well, actually he's not. He's happy in his new home -- it's a nice country. I wanted a country that respected my human rights and the rights of others,"

Naturally, Helen's "good riddance" to this gay man is comparable to the Arabic linguists who were discharged solely for their gayness. Or was there another reason she had for thinking it was good to get this man out of the country, other than the only characteristic mentioned in her excerpt? lol... the tangled webs we weave

3:23 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger jw said...

From what I heard there are 10,000 Americans coming to Canada and 20,000 Canadians going to the States.

There's always been drift across the borders. My parents thought seriously of moving to L.A. when I was a baby: My father had a good job offer there. If he hadn't got a slightly better one here, I'd be American.

My Aunt was an American and my brother is one. Just a normal part of life. I dated an American lady and if we had of got married I'd have moved to Chicago. Again, just life and perfectly normal.

These authors going on about political causes and such don't know much about life.

3:47 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Vera said...

Considering that Canada and the US are two first-world countires that share a border and a language, it would be very surprising if there weren't thousands of people moving both ways.

I am an American who moved to Finland for personal reasons, and I am getting sick and tired of people who either assume that everyone moving out of the US is making a political statement, or threaten to do so themselves as a political statement. I wish I had a dime for every person that I met back in Massachusetts who threatened to move out of the country if Bush wins the election. Well, guess what - he did win the election, and the only people who moved out of the country were the ones who had some personal reason for it (job, relationship, etc.).

I strongly suspect that out of the 10942 Americans who moved to Canada 10900 moved for purely personal reasons, and 42 also moved for some personal reasons but nevertheless enjoy saying they were protesting against Bush.

5:44 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger john_render said...

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10:17 AM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous brian said...

This anonymous stalker is getting irritating. Friend, if they outlawed thinking and reading skills, you'd not be affected one lick.

Dr. H was echoing a sentiment most of us have about whiners: You don't like your situation change it. And good riddance to you since I don't have to listen to you bitch any more.

10:35 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Bugs said...

I tend to agree that most of the people who leave the States for Canada probably do so for many reasons. Those reasons may include discomfort with American culture and politics and a desire to find a more laid-back environment. No problem there. But anybody who moves a finger due to fear of George Bush and the Republicans is an arrant coward.

12:10 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I'm a gay fascist and I LOVE Canada. It's SOOO much better than Amerikkka with it's fat people, imperialism, and Laissez-UN-faire-ness.

I was saying this to my Cambodian houseboy the other day, when all of a sudden he blurts out that he'd like to visit America. Usually he's all chungaluka-muka-whatever, but it turns out the little heathen speaks some English.

Well I put him straight right away - I said, ping pong speaking English will harm your primitive mind and if you go to Amerikkka George Bush will sick his nightriders on you and take away your culture, and then you can't be my houseboy any longer.

This didn't seem to phase him.

I haven't seen him all day - I hope that I didn't scare him too much.

1:12 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger serket said...

anonymous @ 1:12, are you the same gay guy who said you grew up in a poor, authoritarian country?

1:22 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But brian, the man who moved was happy.

It was helen who was bitching, and making it negative: good riddance to the gays.

1:33 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe dr. helen needs to change her personal situation instead of bitching so much about how bad America is for men and boys where she lives.

I bet you anything that she and the insta-lub aren't in it for life, when the career things hit the skids...

1:35 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous DRJ said...

Anonymous has issues.

1:39 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one post said:

" America, love it or leave it."

No, if you love America, change it because 'my country, right or wrong' patriotism is not the solution, no matter the political divide. You don't suffer or die for a nation-state, you live, suffer and die for family and ideals. But if those ideals are incongruent with the national reality, then, the national reality must change. America must change.

1:56 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's a national reality?

2:18 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Graham said...

Come on, Helen, this is a little beneath you, don'tcha think?

People who want to leave have every right to leave. For whatever reasons.

That said, one point I do think needs clarifying: Helen openly supported gay marriage in her advice column & I am inclined to believe her.

As for Health Care, it's sort of a question of what you need. The US has better emergency medicine & if you're rich, a ton of options for every ailment. Canada's soialized system is slow, but a bit more responsible when it comes to basic preventative medicine.

Another thing to remember her is that there are about 30 million Canadians & 300 million Americans. Canda is more homogenous (Quebec might disagree, but screw 'em).

As things stand now there's no way you could run a Canadian-style legsilature in the US & vice-versa.

BTW: Helen. That last smack at the Democrats was a little gratuitous, y'know? Neither one of our parties is particularly appealing. I like Paul, Obama & Edwards (guardedly).

People gotta wake up and realize that national politics is not Red Sox vs. Yankees. This is not a sport. It's a lot more important then that.

Anyway, Canadian beer is okay. Can't say I'm a big hockey fan. Moose are kind of cool. I hate cold winters & love a good undergraound system (Toronto, Montreal...).

Meh.

2:38 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

drj:
Betcha my track record's better than yours... Heh.

2:58 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Colder people live longer !

Something about the freezer vs. the oven...

3:00 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

Just out of curiosity, when you disappear again, as the meds begin to again take affect, is marge the feminist going to re-appear too? It's the cracker statement that slipped out in one of your numerous posts that has me wondering.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

5:26 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Bruce Small said...

I moved from Canada to the USA, and have never regretted that move. Canada is a very nice place to live, but I prefer the land of opportunity instead of socialism.

5:48 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

br549 or however you're related to this blog your margie rosie anonie talk is silly billy count em

7:22 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

br549...
dont you have some fingers to paint

7:23 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh I see.
You're mixing up the anti Canada anony with the rest.
Silly billy count em

7:25 PM, August 06, 2007  
Anonymous Bilwick said...

There was some American ex-pat who had a blog devoted to extolling life in his new homeland, Canada. What surprised me was that one virtue was that Canada was supposedly "freer" than the US. This didn't square with my impression of Canada being a socialist country, but in the interest of open-mindedness I e-mailed and asked him specific questions designed to see just how freer Canada was: e.g., how free would I be to run a business without government intereference, how free would I be to own a firearm, how high are the tax rates, etc? All I could get was weasel words, and reading between the lines I got the impression that the only "free" this guy was really interested in was "free" health care (ii.e., getting the Canadian taxpayer to foot his and his family's medical bills).

10:42 AM, August 07, 2007  
Blogger serket said...

graham: I like Paul, Obama & Edwards (guardedly).

Do you think Ron Paul would have a better chance in the Democratic debates?

11:22 AM, August 07, 2007  
Blogger knoxwhirled said...

As they say: don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya

11:26 AM, August 07, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I e-mailed and asked him specific questions designed to see just how freer Canada was ... All I could get was weasel words,

Gay marriage
Marijuana
Hunting rights
Fishing rights
Private property rights
More land = less regulations.



Hope this helps.

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