Saturday, November 22, 2008

"Men are nothing but props in Hollywood..."

So says Oscar nominated filmmaker Lionel Chetwynd in a fascinating conversation with Roger L. Simon on the wimpiness of men in Hollywood on PJTV. "To be a man is to be seen as damaged," says Chetwynd. I have to agree that Hollywood has done everything it can to feminize men and treat traditional male traits as evil and worthy of humiliation. Watch the show and see what you think.

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Blogger uncle ken said...

Lessee...last three movies I watched:

WALL-E - Male robot breaks down easily, not near as robustly constructed as robot girlfriend EVA. Fearful. Has a cockroach for a pet. Man has ruined the earth.

KUNG-FU PANDA - fat, dreamer, cannot punch a dummy without injuring himself. Works as a short-order cook in a noodle kitchen. Contrast the Tiger (female) and the Snake ( female) members of the Fantastic Five Kung-Fu masters. Male Kung-Fu masters are monkeys and insects. The movie's Alpha Male is the evil, deranged Leopard.

TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT - Bogie saves the Free French. Bacall is smoking hot; 100% girl. "You know how to whistle don't you? Just put your lips together and blow." Oh wait - that one is 60 years old, no wonder I enjoyed it.

8:07 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Heather said...

Does anyone here watch Supernatural, a TV show not movie I know. It's pretty asculine.

Last movie I saw was James Bond.

I so overdosed on "Girl Power." I tend seek out heroic men tropes.

9:04 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Trust said...

@heather: "Does anyone here watch Supernatural, a TV show not movie I know. It's pretty asculine."

Yes, it one of my favorites. My biggest beef with it is how Dean inparticular kisses another girl every other show.

9:36 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Trust said...

I get irritated with romantic movies. I notice how most of the oh-so-sweet storylines in movies would not bee sooo sweet if it were reversed.

RUMOR HAS IT - Mark Ruffalo loves Jennifer Aniston so much he forgives her for sleeping with a man who had already slept with her mother and grandmother. Would it have been so sweet if it were Ruffalo who slept with a women who already slept with his father and grandfather?

THE NOTEBOOK - I enjoyed this movie, and related to the caring for the sick wife (my wife has battled cancer). Would it have been seen as so romantic had it been the wife who cared for a sick husband who didn't recognize her? Probably note (shame too, millions of loving women have done that, but Hollywood is about what a woman gets, not what she gives).

THE LAKE HOUSE - The woman says "wait two years and meet me at the Lake House." I don't think it would be so sweet if a man told a woman to wait two years for her. He'd probably be a selfish pig.

TITANIC - Let's not forget, if a woman poses nude for another man wearing a piece of jewelry her fiance gave her, leaves the drawing for him to find with a crude note, and then has sex with the painter in the back of her fiances car, then the fiance is a monster for -- GASP -- being upset about it. How do you suppose a female finace would react?

Hollywood deliberately berates men. But it also unintentionally insults women by painting them as beings so utterly inept that they can't be held responsible for their own actions.

LOL. I could go on and on about what I see. It insults both genders.

9:45 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Trust said...

@Heather: "I tend seek out heroic men tropes."

I'm looking forward to Fireproof. Not because it is religious, but because it actually, from what I hear, puts husbands and wives at a higher level than boyfriends and girlfriends. (Seems most movies, married couple = boring and oppressed, boyfriend/girlfriend = true passionate love.)

9:46 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Heather said...

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10:01 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Heather said...

Supernatural, a TV show not movie I know. It's pretty masculine.

I seem to have missplaced a 'M'.

@Trust: I haven't gotten to see Fireproof. There is without a doubt a double standard between what a man can to verses what a woman can do.

10:02 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger TMink said...

I watched Key Largo with my wife last night. It was really in interesting film, dealing with post WWII masculinity in the face of creeping nihilism. The scenes where Edward G. Robinson's character laciviously whispers things to a baby Bacall is chilling and wonderful.

Bogie finds his morals and testicles for the last scene, and the world will be safer after he confronts evil.

That is the kind of movie I like to watch!

Trey

10:42 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger nathan said...

Has Roger relocated in France as he said he would if Obama won?

11:10 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger uncle ken said...

@nathan: Has Roger relocated in France as he said he would if Obama won?

No need: we are all in Neverland now.

11:12 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger smitty1e said...

I would like to challenge Chetwynd and Simon to grab Eastwood to do The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors.
Start now, and they can have an Oscar-quality flick reminding us why this country is great, even when literally going down, in time for the 2012.

11:41 AM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger glenn said...

It's why I don't go to the movies.

4:50 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger TMink said...

I don't go to the movies becuase the experience is better in my living room. The movie is in focus, I can pause it if someone needs to go, the snacks are better and cheaper and the sound is better.

Trey

5:30 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

uncle ken --

WALL-E - Male robot breaks down easily, not near as robustly constructed as robot girlfriend EVA. Fearful. Has a cockroach for a pet. Man has ruined the earth.

Great flick. Give Wall-E a break. He was literally one thousand years old. Anybody breaks down at that age. Fearful?! He held that umbrella up even after being zapped by lightning and rode the outside of a spaceship.

I like cute robots.

6:57 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger glenn said...

It is kind of interesting that when Hollywood needed a tough guy for LA Confidential (maybe the last movie I saw in a theater) they had to get an Australian.

7:28 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger Larry J said...

WALL-E - Male robot breaks down easily, not near as robustly constructed as robot girlfriend EVA. Fearful. Has a cockroach for a pet. Man has ruined the earth.

Ah, WALL-E. My wife and I saw it recently while on a cruise. That alone added some laughs. After 2 weeks on the ship, we were all beginning to resemble the humans in that movie.

EVA is a trigger-happy klutz. She breaks things and dances worse than I do. WALL-E is the last of his kind left on Earth 700 years earlier while the humans evacuated to space. It's an entertaining movie even if the story line is tree-huggerish. Not as good as "The Incredibles", IMO, but entertaining none the less.

7:29 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger John F Not Kerry said...

"I'm looking forward to Fireproof."

I saw it. It is a great film about unconditional love and forgiveness. It is not from Hollywood, and it is awesome. It was made by the same church that made Facing The Giants, a great football movie.

9:40 PM, November 22, 2008  
Blogger NJArtist said...

I just looked at the trailer for fireproof: B*llsh*t. The trash was generated by rose colored glass Christians: they cast the man as the person solely responsible for his marriage; marriage is a two person construct: in the trailer, the woman was portrayed as the victim.

5:04 PM, November 24, 2008  
Blogger uncle ken said...

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6:09 PM, November 24, 2008  
Blogger John F Not Kerry said...

NJArtist,

I suppose if you just depend on the trailer of a movie to get the full gist of it, then you come up with responses like yours. I WATCHED the movie, and yes, it was done from a Christian perspective. It was made by a church! If you watched the movie, you would see that the wife had her own role to play in their marriage problems, but the husband contributed a lot more through his belligerence. I know this site draws a lot of men who have been through bad relationships, and some end up bashing all women. If you watch the movie and consider it unrealistic, then fair enough. But extrapolating a whole movie from the trailer (aside from Michael Moore's propaganda works, of course) is just BS.

11:54 PM, November 25, 2008  
Blogger NJArtist said...

JFnK,
The trailer is what is selling the movie: how it portrays the issues within the movie is relevant: the hot buttons the trailer hits are what draw the customers. The trailer shows a heroic captain of his fire department as the culprit in the dissolution of his marriage; the wife is shown weeping and getting advice form her fellow hags around the cauldron -- sorry, at the restaurant: the the classic piece of advice from a chicken leg waving dame is "A man should be a hero to his wife first." At no point does the trailer show the wife getting down on her knees before God.

8:10 AM, November 26, 2008  
Blogger John F Not Kerry said...

"At no point does the trailer show the wife getting down on her knees before God."

And give away the ending? Ooops! Really, though, that scene with her friends is shown in the movie as bad and unhelpful, presenting their behavior in a poor light. I really did enjoy the movie. However inadequate the trailer was, the movie pointed out that one person can ruin a marriage, but it takes both to make it truly work. I never did see the trailer, and was hesitant to go (more because of time available). But I'm really glad I did. Happy Thanksgiving!

P.S. Where in Jersey are you from? I love the South Shore!

10:52 AM, November 26, 2008  
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Lacey

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