Wednesday, March 03, 2010

"Brighter boys learn the lesson of female superiority early; dimmer ones may never catch on...."

A reader sent me a rather weird article at Townhall by columnist Paul Greenberg. It is entitled, "Women Know" and initially I thought it was some kind of parody but I think that it's serious. Read it and see what you think.

If it is a real column and not a joke, it is a good example of the silly male chivalry on the right that all of us here should be aware of, and fight back against. Apparently, this author thinks that men are dimwits in need of guidance from women due to their poor ability to think for themselves. Women, to this guy, are smart savvy angels who guide men, sometimes with just a knowing smile and a few words:

I've never been much of a believer in historical theories about the Indispensable Man. There may be some examples -- Washington, Lincoln, Moses -- but they are few. But the indispensable woman, I believe in. Call it Greenberg's Law: Women are the innately superior sex. My theory may not be backed by any scientific evidence, but it's something every man has surely felt. At least if he's got a lick of sense.

You might even call it a prejudice -- in the sense of Edmund Burke's definition of prejudice as the body of judgments passed on as received wisdom from generation to generation, and that need not be proven anew in every age. The word for it in these fecund Southern latitudes is mother wit. Note that nobody ever called that kind of inner knowledge father wit. ...

Every boy soon learns that women seem to know intuitively what the weaker male sex may grasp only by effort and education. Which is why it requires marriage and family to civilize the male animal. He needs a woman's tutelage [my emphasis].

Brighter boys learn the lesson of female superiority early; dimmer ones may never catch on....

What kind of nonsense is this and why is Townhall taking part in perpetuating it? Is it just popular on both the right and left to bash men to get laid or maybe "get out of the doghouse" with his wife like one of the commenters (Sandy) to this article suggested?

What is the point of this ridiculous column? That the writer dislikes men who might compete with him? That he has been brainwashed by the women in his life into believing this nonsense? Or most likely, that he is probably a closet chauvinist himself who has to placate women so they won't go worrying their pretty little heads, lest they actually do something more than "intuit" a situation and feel good about themselves for their lack of real fact-finding? Who knows?

What I do know is that we need to call these "chivalrous" men out when they undercut other men. For what they do is as dangerous as what the left does when they bash and punish men because of their sex, and they should be held just as accountable.

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110 Comments:

Blogger MikeT said...

I love it. The first commenter managed to bitch slap him in a single sentence:

Women are not smarter than men, or they wouldn't keep making babies with abusive addicts and criminals

I'm sure in Mr White Knight's fantasy world, they only make babies with those men because their natural wholesomeness has been turned upside down because of a lack of paternal involvement, but it was still refreshing to see such a concise put down.

2:46 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Jeff Y. said...

Men say these things in the same way my boxing trainer says, "You did good." It really means, "You didn't get you ass kicked as bad as last time."

Women don't get that.

2:58 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Kevin M said...

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3:18 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Jose said...

I think the idea that men need to be trained is a foolish one but there is no doubt in my mind that for both woman and men having to grind up against another person day and night changes you. Smooths out all that childish immaturity..

The guys hubby works with who are bachelors are very immature and it irritates him. The act pretty much the same way in the office as they would at home. When I have spent my night making sushi and diabetic friendly stuff for my hubby and some dipwad gets his bento out of the fridge and eats it he quietly wished they would find a wife and grow up..

WE started using cold pack so it wouldn't keep happening but still.


*"It really means, "You didn't get you ass kicked as bad as last time." **

I don't think woman need this. IN fact I doubt the idea of woman sticking together as an evolutionary trait.. I think it is a modern thing. WE exchange info and generally get the hell away from each other.

And I am wondering if any of you have been with 2 ovulating woman in the same room at the same time. It ain't pretty.

Hell you don't even need to go that far just stand in a room and say the words: breastfeeding, circumcision, makeup, work from home. It can get nasty. We are not the monolith we are put out to be.

These Chivalrous men are really kowtowing to what some woman at the top say and not so much reality..

3:20 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Jose said...

Ok I read the article. I think this has more to do with a wife knowing her husband than with woman just knowing. I have talked my hubby out quite a few bad ideas. However right now we are within days of having another baby. Having seen me go through this 6 times previously he notices more of the signs than I do. I am his wife and we have been together since I was 15.. HE knows me..

3:31 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Helen said...

Jose,

The guy could have written the article to let readers understand that his wife knows him. That would be fine. But he wrote it in a way to call men idiots and promote the chauvinistic idea that "women are superior" and men are fools who need to grow up. No different than the female version of the Forbes article from the other day when the author called men "man-children." He didn't need to degrade his fellow man to make his point, but he did. He is not deserving of much sympathy here.

3:45 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Helen said...

Jose,

Oh, I forgot to add "Congrats on your new baby."

3:46 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

My guess is you could find Mr. Greenberg at the local mall. He'll be the one holding his wife's purse.

4:03 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Jack said...

If there is an afterlife, a real man (e.g., Yul Brynner) will sissy-slap this eunuch Greenberg into an afterlife coma

That made me snort out loud.

4:17 PM, March 03, 2010  
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4:20 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Evan M. Thomas said...

Ten years ago I went to religious marriage counseling and the male therapist told me that if the woman is upset, it's the man's fault because he was "man of the house" and the responsible party before god.

So regardless of the rightness or wrongness of my behavior or my wife's behavior, the root cause was me not making my wife happy.

I think they continued therapy sessions after our divorce.

4:25 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger DADvocate said...

...it's something every man has surely felt.

Not me, even though I have 3 sisters, 2 daughter, a mother and 2 ex-wivers, and by almost every measure (choosing mates excluded) I am considered "bright."

Greenberg's "insights" and logic are especially shallow. Most women, and men, probably are his superior.

4:48 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger I R A Darth Aggie said...

Which is why it requires marriage and family to civilize the male animal.

Which is why, as a single dude, I sometimes feel that bullseye has been painted squarely on my back.

Single man = uncivilized, barbaric, animalistic. Yeah, right.

5:02 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

The article appears to be talking about instincts. Women DO have better instints, but it has nothing to do with smarts.

5:19 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

zmous - it depends what instincts you are talking about. Until I see some definitive research, neither side is 'better' on the instinct front.

5:31 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

Behind Greenberg's pathetically sexist and beta-male column is an important factor: we are into the second generation of people raised primarily by the female instinct. As God and everyone else would have it, there's a balance and each child needs some of each side. But America today is broadly feminized - women presume to run the family unilaterally (or the man sleeps on the couch instead of the bed that he bought), most teachers are female, workplace policies are explicitly designed to avoid the appearance of hostility to women, television ads proclaim men bums and women responsible and wise.

Concepts like the engagement ring made sense in the postwar era, when men would commit to material provision and wives to social management. Since Betty Freidan made the latter into a symptom of oppression, we are living in an unbalanced concept of partnership.

5:39 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Novaseeker said...

Better instincts my foot. As soon as we opened up the sexual marketplace and relaxed the sexual mores just a tad, half the women were lining up to screw alpha male cads. Instincts my ass.

Greenberg strikes me as a guy who has submissive male fantasies. Had a chat about that many years ago with a professional dominatrix who plies her trade here in DC. She told me that a good number of her clients were conservative guys working on the Hill who had submission fantasies because they pedestalized women under their conservative ideology. Sounds pretty much like Greenberg here. Little Paulie is a pervert -- pretty simple.

5:41 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

Topher - You want a study on instints? That is bad instints. There is no such study and it will never be one. It's purely subjective as to when someone is right based on outcomes that might be better.

I'm saying women have better instints based on my own experiences. Sometimes they are right in evaluating a situation that might not feel right. That's all I'm saying. It might not lead to an optimal outcome sometimes since occasionally, intelligence is required to make things work. In this case, men might have a better solution. Again, it's purely subjective.

5:45 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

zmous: you have issued two completely content-free posts, with zero backup to your assertion. Please respond to the challenge - at least give some anecdotes.

5:48 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

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5:56 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

Topher - I offered my opinion of Greenberg's article... that it might have a point.

BTW: Anecdotes ARE NOT evidence. They are opinions. Anecdotes will not backup my "assertion". Why are you so dense?

If you didn't realize, I did provide my experience as anecdote that Greenberg might have a point.

6:02 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

Wow,

I'm not sure if I want to vomit more for reading the article or for reading the article's comments.

Helen,

I've read a few of Paul Greenberg's columns over the years (he was actually a syndicated columnist in my paper for a while) and he was a total dipshit then. Nice to see that things haven't changed. I would say that this article is definitely genuine and does reflect Greenberg's mangina-ness. How he is considered a conservative is beyond me.

When I see patent stupidity such as this article (and comments), I just simply re-double my efforts to have as little to do with society as I possibly can.

6:33 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Joe said...

I forced myself to read the article. Now I feel dumber. Almost like a women. (I kid, I kid.)

6:49 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

zmous: This seems to be your boiled-down point (amidst all the fluff): "Women DO have better instints, but it has nothing to do with smarts."

---

What's an example of that? The housewife living next door who just decides for no apparent reason that someone in the neighborhood is a bad person so she spreads rumors about him?

The women who were the "pot-bangers" in front of the house of the Duke Lacrosse Boys who were absolutely sure they were rapists? In fact the whole "Gang of 88" (which was mostly female)?

I mean who are you talking about? You just make some assertion that doesn't even sound right, and you don't back it up or give examples or do any work at all to support your assertion. I hate to say it, but that really sounds like the sloppy "scholarship" of women's studies.

6:57 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

If you haven't seen the TV Show "Rules of Engagement" then I beg all of you to give it half an hour and your eyes will be opened for sure. The premise is a married couple, an engaged couple and a swinging single guy, as they go through life together. The swinging single guy answers to no one and spends his life getting poontang from as many hot women as possible even though he's David Spade...he's a happy guy. The other 2 men have pretty, intelligent and pushy women to tell them what to do, how to do it and when. The women are the leaders with no sense of humor and their men are just lovable doofuses that are constantly trying to get out of being responsible and acting like an adult. I guess this is the way our society wants to view the relationship between men and women.

But you see it here on the comments section too. Some say the reason men aren't marrying and acting like adults is because it is women's fault. If all the women of the would take charge and all simultaneously wait for marriage to provide sex to all the men of the world men would straighten up and fly right.

This blogger isn't that different, he's admitting that men can't get by in life without direct oversight from women. Do you think it is advisable to teach young men that this is the case?

7:03 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

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7:08 PM, March 03, 2010  
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7:12 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Novaseeker said...

This blogger isn't that different, he's admitting that men can't get by in life without direct oversight from women. Do you think it is advisable to teach young men that this is the case?

Men can "get by in life" just fine without women, by the way. The standard that is being raised here is that unless men are tethered to a female and her spawn they are somehow not adults and not responsible. That's absolute crap. It is basically saying that unless men are behaving as women wish them to, and as women define as adult, they are being irresponsible.

Another definition of responsibility: paying his own bills, paying his own way, not directly harming others and so on. Even without being some woman's pawn and spawn slave.

7:19 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

JG: Okay, you want examples, but the examples you gave isn't even close to what I'm saying.

Instincts have nothing to do with ideology. That some women choose to act on their biases is something else entirely.

One example of an instinct is when we discuss our plans for visiting family. She says the current plan might be incorrect based on her instinct of how the family members might behave. We then figure out a solution that works better for both of us. (I know this is vague, but that's what I'm willing to offer.)

The instinct comes into play when we might not know the outcome. We try to predict from experience, but many times, there is none.

7:30 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger zmous said...

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7:32 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: Heh

Brighter boys learn the lesson of female superiority early; dimmer ones may never catch on.... -- article cited by Dr. Helen

As I've said oft enough on this site....

The feminist movement died one millisecond after the first impact. -- Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle in Lucifer's Hammer

In THIS instance, I see a serious amount of projection with the item Dr. Helen is pointing out.

Why?

Well....because sooner or later the fit is going to hit the shan and when it does, women who went for wussies are going to have a hard time trying to survive.....against the 'Reavers'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. This relates to the good doctor's previous thread about Kevin M's 'issues' with working with other people.

I suspect Kevin should read Lucifer's Hammer.

7:47 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger kmg said...

Many conservatives are propagators of misandry, because they put women on pedestals. They wrongly believe that sucking up to women is the way to get laid.

As any man who actually gets laid with a lot of women can tell you, presicely the opposite is true.

Women like Dr. Helen need to shame these men. This will confuse them ("why is a woman shaming me???") and get them to shape up.

Every man needs to study the writings of key pickup artists. Even if you don't want to practice pick-up yourself, these are the only men who truly have a brutally accurate grasp of the female mind.

9:12 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger kmg said...

Again, read The Misandry Bubble for a description of why chivalry existed in the old days, and why it is totally counterproductive today.

9:14 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Falze said...

good grief, people are reading an awful lot into this column. incorrectly, too. does it help to know that he writes with his tongue very firmly planted in his cheek? no, probably not...not based on the vicious blind hate in the comments above

9:43 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

Falze,

It's not blind hate. I've read this guy's columns a number of times over the years, and the guy is (not to put too fine a point on this) a dumbass.

10:10 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger kmg said...

Again, as flamboyant as they may be, Pick-up artists are the ones with a detailed and accurate understanding of the female mind.

You will learn more reading Roissy for 1 day than by listening to women and whiteknighting men all your life.

10:29 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger bmmg39 said...

Thank you, once again, Dr. H.

kmg: "Many conservatives are propagators of misandry, because they put women on pedestals. They wrongly believe that sucking up to women is the way to get laid."

Overvaluing "getting laid" is one of men's great obstacles, too. Not putting such a high premium on that means not ending up putting up with so many of these shameful stereotypes.

11:04 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

"Women like Dr. Helen need to shame these men. This will confuse them ("why is a woman shaming me???") and get them to shape up."

Women already shame these men, by denying them attention and affection in favor of alpha-males and PUAs. Unfortunately, white knighters usually view this as evidence they need to double down on their behavior, and end up sounding like a college girl from a Lifetime movie - "if only I do THIS enough, they will see the truth and love me back!!!"

11:06 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

bmmg39 - your last paragraph is absolutely true. However, it's like the diamond trade: an artificial scarcity is created for an uncommonly common good. Both boys and girls are programmed to create this scarcity from the time they are children. Marc Rudov loves to mock how it's called "getting lucky," as if men should feel they stumbled into it by chance.

Unfortunately for confirmed beta males, they are "lucky" that a woman has deigned to provide it to them. If only more men could realize the less they prized it, the less the incentive for the artificial scarcity, and the more of it they could get.

11:09 PM, March 03, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

"If only more men could realize the less they prized it, the less the incentive for the artificial scarcity, and the more of it they could get."

Why "prize" it at all? What's to be gained by receiving damaged goods?

That's kinda like saying, "yay, I got a defective Volvo..."

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2:32 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Kevin M said...

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8:08 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Bill said...

Just a note about sleeping on the couch: I don't.

My wife once joked about that, and my response was, "That's my bed. It's where I sleep. I like that you sleep there too, but far be it from me to drag you there. If you ever get THAT mad, you are welcome to sleep anywhere else you like."

9:39 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger aronamos said...

Good Lord. Y'all chill.

Paul Greenberg is an old guy who writes for the Arkansas Deomcrat-Gazette. He's got a Pulitzer for some work he did back in the 70s at another paper.

He's as "male chauvinist" as the day is long; he believes women are "superior" only in that they're "different" -- and only if they're doing "women's work."

He rarely works with women and as far as I know has never had one working directly for him at the ADG.

9:52 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

(This post is going to be a bit graphic, so if you don't like that sort of thing don't read it)

Speaking of pick-up artists I have a dear friend who stops over my house once a week with the same story. He's 46. It goes like this: "You should see, I was in Home Depot yesterday and I met this girl that worked there. She was 25. I took her to my house and by 10PM we were in the sack. She sucked my dick for like AN HOUR!"

Every week same story except the pick-up location changes. Taco Bell, Carpet World, the cleaning lady, my friend leaves not stone unturned. My response is always the same, "That's wonderful, I'm glad both of you got a great cardiovascular workout."

I think he is looking for some sort of approval from me or a high-five. I never know what to say. I don't approve or disapprove of what he is doing, but I don't understand why he is announcing his exploits to the world. I think he feels like he has accomplished something worthwhile. I agree with a previous poster that it might be time to take the glorification out of male promiscuity.

9:57 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger dr.alistair said...

men who go to foreign lands adapt and take on the local culture. if they take thier women with them, the have to bring crates of silverware and oak dining tables.

i slept on the couch for two years instead of playing sexual manipulation games with a frigid psycho.

and regarding prizing...anyone who can condition themselves to not prize something pleasurable is neurotic.

alpha males and puas?

well, those are the choices. the intelligent way to adapt is to be either one or both, or join onanists anonymous.

betas sit and sulk....


oh, and by the way..the definition of neurotic is to experience more than one reaction from a stimulus.

let`s turn our backs on dominating women trying to stimulate a response from our not-ok child and grow the fuck up. many of these women are desperate for a good shanking but are neurotic themselves and should be avoided. we are reasonably good at spotting them if for no other reason than we feel a certain way when we are around them. trust your feelings and just walk away.

women are far better at trusting thier first feelings by the way. social conditioning i would imagine. and they get great mileage out of winding little boys up.

just witness the sad bastards at the strip club with thier money in thier hands.

so near and yet so very far away.

10:00 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Kevin M said...

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10:02 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger TMink said...

zmous wrote: "Instincts have nothing to do with ideology."

I cannot agree with you there pal. If by instinct you mean neurological hardwired behavior patterns, then they are involved with all ideology. Even the most pure, rational ideology would be developed by people with these instincts. And even if these folks were quite rational, they were struggling to understand and compensate for their instincts.

Well, at least that is how I see it.

Trey

10:05 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger dr.alistair said...

cham, i get the sense your friend is either so shocked that he woke up in the candy shop or he`s full of shit.
or he`s wanting you in the picture...

people react in different ways to reading pua material.

some put themselves in the picture, some think it`s somehow wrong, and some merely fantasize and want to talk about it like they would a tv show or a movie.

if they guy`s monologues don`t bother you then just see it as entertainment....

10:06 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger dr.alistair said...

kevin. thanks. hard habit to break. like no capitals.....

10:08 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger The Monster said...

A statement like "women are smarter than men" flies in the face of the actual data (but, when properly qualified, actually has some support).

The average man's IQ is about 3.63 points higher than the average woman's IQ, according to a paper by D. N. Jackson and J. P. Rushton (Intelligence 34 (2006) 479-486). That isn't much of a difference in the means, but the distribution of male IQ is also wider than that of women. That means that there are more men on both ends of the bell curve than women. With assortative mating patterns, a woman with an above-average IQ is unlikely to be "smarter" than her mate, but a woman on the lower end has a slightly higher chance to be "smarter" than hers.

This Inconvenient Truth is a major driver of the so-called "Glass Ceiling"; for intellectually-demanding professions (where those without an IQ several standard deviations above mean cannot compete) the combined effect of the slightly-higher average and substantiallly higher deviation of male IQ produces gender ratios far from 1:1. RADM Hopper wasn't called "Amazing Grace" for nothing.

10:09 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger tom swift said...

A curious column, indeed.

It seems to me that the author is in raptures because his wife is smarter than he is. I know several marriages like that. In each case, the woman was almost certainly sharp enough to realize that hubby was no genius, but married him anyway. They seem to be perfectly workable and stable marriages. But Greenberg's logical fallacy is obvious. "My wife is smarter than me" does not imply that all wives are smarter than all men.

At one time I thought that pretty much all women were basically brain-damaged. Trainable, to some degree, but that was about it. My mistake was failure to realize the true nature of the problem. And that is that men and women are different. So, not surprisingly, they develop different aspects of intelligence. These aspects are not easily recognizable to those who have developed the other aspect. This notion is, of course, anathema to modern theories of feminism.

10:19 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Tex Taylor said...

I have a theory about the old coots who babble about the superiority of women. As they get older, they find this pretentious act of playing "weak" somehow makes them more attractive to females.

Frankly, I have no use for them and will continue to strive to be more like John Wayne for the remainder of my days.

10:24 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Kevin M said...

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10:26 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger hornscott said...

Greenberg falls like a momma's boy right into the lap of the notion that if there's any worthless women out there, it's the fault of men. Worthless men, however, are just following their nature.

10:28 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Tucanae Services said...

Funny, I never considered my wife superior or smarter. Our knowledge base does not overlap much so there are many things where I seek her council. She is often right, sometimes wrong and when we make the same mistake together its usually fit for a good laugh later after the dust settles.

The authors battle of the sexes reductum makes both sides poorer.

10:39 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Tulsa Jack said...

I love women; they have many good qualities. I make my own decisions and respect those of others' only if they have merit.

Men of leisure create industrial civilization and the U.S. Constitution. Women of leisure create fabulous hats.

10:42 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Ron said...

This guy is a dolt.

But thanks, Helen, for reminding me why I stopped visiting Townhall... ever since they started using obnoxiously loud, 'autostart' web ads.

11:00 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger onscrn said...

I have to agree with aronamos, at least in being sure everyone is taking this way too seriously. It's the sort of thing one might easily have come across BWLM (before women's liberation movement). It's kind of old-fashioned, that's all.

11:02 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger DocRambo said...

I have a saying that covers this: Ignorance can be cured by education, stupidity, on the other hand, is a terminal illness. We have a fine example of the latter in these writings. And a total lack of appreciation for the goodness of men and women, and how well the perform as a compliment to one another.

11:02 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

dr. alistair,

"and regarding prizing...anyone who can condition themselves to not prize something pleasurable is neurotic."

Yeah, this coming from a guy who several weeks ago said he was going to marry someone who he "doesn't really know." And that's smart?

"alpha males and puas?

well, those are the choices. the intelligent way to adapt is to be either one or both, or join onanists anonymous.

betas sit and sulk...."

Oh no, I've been hit with the "beta" label. Whatever shall I do???

Seriously, I find the whole alpha/beta thing to be laughable. I don't play that game (and yes, it is a childish game, but only because we've collectively decided to become an adolescent society), hence, I decline to be labeled.

Alpha/beta nonsense is great if we were unwashed savages, but isn't really a great idea if you want to keep civilization going. Do you really think there is no correlation with the current decline and the freudian id bullshit advocacy? Apparently, our society has decided that it wants to devolve, not evolve. Good choice. I'm sure it'll all work out for us in the end. If Western Civilization wants to retard itself out of existence, it can do so without me.

11:40 AM, March 04, 2010  
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11:40 AM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger K said...

This is still a conservative piece.
Pre-equality feminist attitudes incorporated female superiority - the putting the woman on a pedestal idea.

You can see this attitude in some of the pre feminist Japanese culture and particularly indulged in by the acclaimed Japanese anime director Miyazaki. If you know his films you see where he considers women as a superior beings to men. Yet there's none of the "men = bicycle" feminism there either.

12:01 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Joe said...

Never fear, George Will weighs in with a moronic column of his own. No big surprise; Will is an elitist dick who is periodically insightful.

12:03 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Peano said...

The column is just mediocre journalistic "humor," not especially offensive nor especially entertaining.

But as for Helen's nuclear reaction, wow! What is that all about? Somebody's got some issues here, and I don't think it's Paul Greenberg.

Sigmund F., call your office.

12:04 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Blue Collar Prof said...

It's an interesting syndrome. Both my pastor and a male member of my Bible study frequently make comments like "I could never do this without my wife" or "She's much better than I am" etc. I think it reflects what society values in the present, feminist age, and some men see they don't align with those values and think themselves inferior.

12:09 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Locomotive Breath said...

One of women's "instincts" is to avoid risk. As someone else put it, if women had been in charge from the beginning, we'd still be living in caves wondering what was over than next hill". Of course, with today's devaluing of male behavior, I wonder if we're not already there.

12:12 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Elizabeth Tennquist said...

Having grown up on this stuff, all of accepted as gospel truth and sacrilidge if you dare question it. It never ceases to amaze me that we a generation of men now who grew up without hovering mothering beings, men who know how to sew, clean, do laundry, cook a decent meal (and all out of neccesity) and yet most television commercials still portray men as the lovable dufus whom without his wife or girlfriend would not be able to sort his whites from his colors, or do anything more complicated than crack open a cold beer.

12:19 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger dr.alistair said...

blahga, could you refer me to the comment where i said that i was to marry someone i don`t really know, because that doesn`t sound like something i would say.

and if you feel that the beta label applies, then fine, but we do have choices.

many "beta" types learn to see the "game" of approaching women for sex and relationships as a skill-set that is entirely learnable...and is one that gives a man of any status choice...which is what the pack alpha has (and the terms alpha and beta are merely terms to allow discussion. whether they actually exist is debatable.) does a fat socially inept man automatically become an alpha when he inherits the family fortune?

in my case, i had the "normal" issues of becoming tongue-tied around women i found desirable and not being able to say/do the right things to attain the attention from women that i desired...until i began reading pua material and began to make distinctions in my behaviour that had triggered responses in women that made them become disinterested and look elsewhere.

frustrating? yep.

when you get the methods taught in pua, you begin to realise that it`s not so much the women`s responses, but your approach and behaviour that puts them off...the message is simple; women like men. if you are able to make thier experience around you pleasant and stimulating, then they naturally want to find out more.

and this isn`t about buying flowers, dinner and trips. it`s about triggering basic sexual responses...and not every woman is going to be responsive. and that`s a good thing. so, on to the next one.

and this is far from objectifying women.

warning; if you actually deeply resent providing a woman pleasure, then pua is not for you, because she wants to be entertained, flirted with and stimulated...in a coffe shop or a gas station, or wherever she finds herself...and pua teaches ways to approach and have conversations with women that can and will lead anywhere you both want to.

12:27 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger pete said...

This is a satire (an ironic exaggeration to make a point). What point? Perhaps to bring to light the most fundamental of bonds between husbands and wives. See some of the comments.

Not up to a modest Jonathan Swift proposal, perhaps, but still an amusing attempt.

12:48 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger TMink said...

"But as for Helen's nuclear reaction, wow! What is that all about?"

Nuclear? Wow. We have a difference of perspectives.

Do you get frightened during thunderstorms?

Trey

1:08 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Mark said...

"Indispensable" takes many forms. Next time Paul's roof leaks he's perfectly free to call around and find a female roofer to patch it. Better have a big bucket in the mean time.

After he gives up and goes with one of the dimmer sex, he should ask the poor dolt who taught him to patch a roof. I'm guessing it wasn't his mother or wife.

The same goes for many things we simply take for granted. Who invented the transistor, the microprocessor, cell phones, laser surgical procedures? Who discovered DNA. Who sequenced it. Who invented penicillin, designs skyscrapers, bridges, houses and roads? All of the men involved in these pursuits are a every bit as indispensable as a Washington, Lincoln or Moses in their own way.

Another test: Next time he's in his car with his wife, ask her which direction is North.

1:26 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

Greenberg sounds like he IS one of the guys from the consumer products ads, who can't plan a trip or do domestic tasks without some assistance. If that's the case, he's fortunate to have a life partner who can complement his lack of skills in that area.

Nothing wrong with that... that exemplifies the balance and sacrifice a marriage should have. But to pay homage by writing a column saying "us poor men, we're so dumb, thank God for women to help us do this" show he's just a buffoon. Don't project your deficiencies on us, pal.

Strangely, values conservatives (the "Real Man" people)and feminists are on the same side of deifying women because of their chromosomes. For that reason and others, values conservatives are on the edge of sanity for many middle-of-the-road men in this country.

1:34 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Dave Cornutt said...

Well, that was one of the weirder bits of reading I've seen recently. From Nixon to his momma to the Treasury to Bible quotes in a few paragraphs.

And I'm with Ron -- all those stupid pop-ups and rollover ads make the site nearly unreadable.

1:41 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Kevin M
RE: [OT] Shopping Skills

I suspect Chuck Pelto should stop shopping for literature at K-Mart. -- Kevin M

[1] I read Lucifer's Hammer before K-Mart existed.
[2] The link is to Amazon.Com.
[3] You have poor reading skills.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. -- Will Rogers]

1:44 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Joe - I read Will's column also. He's every bit as insipid and shallow as Greenberg. Is it really that hard to figure out that a lot of men are tired of being screwed so they're "shrugging?"

1:49 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Rich said...

Hmmm....

Sexist *and* a pussy.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Omega male.

Even money his wife is banging the pool boy.

2:02 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Rich said...

Hmmm....

Sexist *and* a pussy.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Omega male.

Even money his wife is banging the pool boy.

2:02 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Kevin M said...

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2:07 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Keith_Indy said...

Maybe what he is talking about is a woman's ability to put their man's ego into proper perspective for their man.

** man puffs his chest out - "look honey, I did the dishes for you"

** woman - "wow, 1 night out of the year so far... catch me should I swoon and faint."

I wouldn't read much into the old coots words.

Elizabeth Tennquist - it isn't just commercials, there's the whole charming/funny schlub married to the beauty who does everything. Think 'Everyone Loves Raymond,' 'King of Queens,' or Dr Helen & InstaPundit. /sarcasm just kidding!!

3:05 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Kevin M
RE: [OT] Talk About....

Troll -- Kevin M

....'projection'.

'nuff said.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. -- Friedrich Nietzsche]

4:02 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

zmous --

You're using instinct in it's least used form, correct? Natural intuitive power. Guess what, men have that as well. Instincts, as they are generally understood, aren't part of the human condition.

Mark --

"Who discovered DNA. Who sequenced it."

Um, don't forget to credit Rosalind Franklin.

Her data, according to Francis Crick, was "the data we actually used" to formulate Crick and Watson's 1953 hypothesis regarding the structure of DNA.

4:55 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger geowash01 said...

Not so fast, Dr Helen. Might want to look at this study. Apparently successful marriage requires a wife to be smarter and better schooled than her husband. At least in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7351856/Scientists-find-mathematical-formula-for-the-perfect-wife.html

5:04 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Victor Erimita said...

Let's get all the men and women together,
See whichone ois smarter.
Some say men.
I say no.
Women got the men like a puppet show.

It ain't me, but the people who say,
Women are smarter in every way.
But I say that the women today
Are smarter than men in every way.

Old calypso song.

5:41 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger sfc mac said...

"Women are not smarter than men, or they wouldn't keep making babies with abusive addicts and criminals"

Well, I must be one of the smarter ones. I retired after a long Army career, never had any kids, and never had any abusive addict/criminal boyfriends.

It all depends on the possession of two things: a brain and a backbone.

6:16 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger orbicularioculi said...

Mr. Greenberg's article is less than silly and I think it's a shame that he hasn't met more "men" in his life nor does he recognize and appreciate the innate differences between men and women.

Don't get me wrong. I love and respect women but I will always feel more comfortable with good men leading the way into the future; with the support of the women who love and appreciate their mens' strengths and the courage to do what is necessary in good times and bad.

Yeah, I'm a man and I do still open doors for ladies, young and old. Mr. Greenberg sounds like a wuss to me.

7:08 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Kevin M sez "@Chuck:

Your memo format for every post you make is the epitome of pretentious; I strongly suspect you are an only child raised by an overweening mother of dubious ability; and the opinion of anyone who fawns over third-rate science-fiction probably spent too much time dreaming of the day they got Leonard Nimoy's autograph."

------

Kevin, don't sweat Chuckles.

At first he seems like a guy full of affectations, with a swollen ego and a loose grip on reality.

After a while he's still all that, but he grows on you like your odd uncle at Thanksgiving.

7:49 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger GawainsGhost said...

The mind of a woman is completely detached from the life of a man.

8:28 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger RealManTM said...

Oligo,
Rosalind Franklin had at least as much access to the crystallography data as Crick and Watson did, it was actually published in the same issue as the Crick and Watson's article. The "Franklin was denied by chauvinist society" has gained far too much strength imo, she had access to the same data but failed to interpret in the manner that Watson and Crick did, which is why she is not listed as a co-discoverer of DNA-she wasn't involved with the interpretation. The attempts to add her name to the discovery are nothing more than pathetic historical revisionism(iirc, Crick and Watson credited her with providing the data they used in their article, it has been a long time since I read it so I'm not sure)

8:56 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: JG, Kevin M, et al.
RE: [OT] Old Lessons About Old Folks

After a while he's still all that, but he grows on you like your odd uncle at Thanksgiving. -- JG

I remember how my Father used to tell me that when he was my [then] age, i.e., 17, he was amazed at how ignorant his father, i.e., my Grandfather, was.

But when he got to be 19, he was astounded at how much the old guy had learned. {nudge-nudge, wink-wink}

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Cheer up. Someday you'll grow up too.

10:24 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger el polacko said...

misandry permeates our culture.

10:52 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

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11:24 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

"I remember how my Father used to tell me that when he was my [then] age, i.e., 17, he was amazed at how ignorant his father, i.e., my Grandfather, was.

But when he got to be 19, he was astounded at how much the old guy had learned. {nudge-nudge, wink-wink}"

Didn't Mark Twain write that?

11:26 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

dr. alistair,

blahga, could you refer me to the comment where i said that i was to marry someone i don`t really know, because that doesn`t sound like something i would say..."

You said it some time ago. The only reason why I remember it is because of what you said and that you were getting married in May(?). I double checked it at the time to make sure I read it right. So yes, you did say it.

As for the rest, you do a good job sounding like a commercial. You should seriously consider getting into advertising, particularly the pharmaceutical ones that talk about the new drugs.

It's hardly "frustrating." Just dumb. After all of that, you have convinced me not one iota of how great the PUA system is (and no, it's not because I'm a "beta" looking in from the outside). All it sounds like is a bunch of Freudian Id adolescents. Unfortunately, one cannot maintain, let alone build, a society on such a concept. The decadent nonsense has been repeated over and over throughout history with the same end result: the destruction of whatever civilization started down that road. What you're advocating is nothing that the Romans haven't already done during their heyday. And look how that turned out. Something about barbarians at the gate...

You say it's not about objectifying women, yet immediately after, you talk about having sex. How exactly is that not objectifying when the goal is to just have sex? Now, if you think I'm angry with this, you're wrong. If you and others wish to dip into the STD pool, hey, you're welcome to it. That's what I mean by damaged goods. Alphas, betas, omegas...it's all bullshit. I simply see that society has a great deal of growing up to do.

11:49 PM, March 04, 2010  
Blogger dr.alistair said...

blahga, i am to be married may 5th, on the two year anniversary of our meeting. not a woman i hardly know.

...and who`s talking about building a society? i`m talking about surviving in one that eats it`s own.

i am a therapist and my fiancee is a psychologist who works for the crown ward unit of children`s aid.

every day we deal with the damage done by a culture grinding our spirits to dust.

not all of pua is healthy. some proponents use agressive methods to intimidate women into sex without thought for a woman`s emotional state afterwards...and this isn`t healthy for men or women...which is what i believe you were referring to when you mentioned barbarians.

interestingly, you touch on the id nature of society in general. i believe that media and now culture it`s self has become infantile, bent on satisfying immediate demands for pleasure.

the advertising field has one task. to strip off any adult or parental ideation in our decision-making processes, leaving us prey to drugs, alcohol, gambling and other forms of financial and physical dissipation.

interesting that the government taxes the majority of these things vigourously.

the pua that i advocate is the work of ross jeffries. he teaches from the skill-sets that i am trained in. hypnosis and nlp. his videos are available in full on google videos and are instructive in that he shows how to approach and talk to women in a respectful and caring way.

i do not advocate the sarging and negging methods taught by others. the net effect of these kind of attitudes and approaches is eventual despair.

ross`s philosophy is to help you find the woman of your dreams and to be her man.

simple.

sorry if this sounds like a continuation of my earlier infomercial script, but i am a strong advocate of his methods.


if more men understood this process there would be less men married to or caught in relationships with narcissistic psychopaths and women would have to play another game....which i think is the point of this blog.

11:09 AM, March 05, 2010  

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